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The original ones
What do you think about the original ones, and the claim by Almine that we have never been born and never died? When i asked her, have we allways been in the same body. She said yes!! Hard to grasp but extremely deep and interessting. Also taht about our famaly and it not being real. I have no deep relation with any of my 2 brothers and 2 sisters, or my mother or father at all. Only superficial i fell much much more connected to few others not in my famaly. And i dont recall much from my childhood, only very little
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Permalink Reply by Niels - Team Almine on -
Dear Nikolaj,
This is indeed a very interesting thing to think about.
About the "original ones": I take this from 2 sides:
1: I try to see the danger that is poses in giving yet another identity to myself and taking that way too serious again. I'm working pretty hard on giving up the coping mechanism of my identity as it is. I don't need another label to put upon myself and say "I am this". So, caution advised, just because I understand how quickly my own ego will grab hold of this and make it into a new story full of drama :)
2: It does explain a lot about very weird feelings within me, ever since I can remember. The idea that I live in a world with children has always been very strong with me. Not as a value judgement of being better, still the emotional immaturity of all around me is so painfully obvious... In finding this explanation, I try to see how would an "original one" masterfully respond? Thus, I use the feeling of recognition as an inspiration, without going and claiming to be anything... a tricky line, but a good practice in my mind.
Weirdly enough I did -even before meeting Almine- identify a very certain moment in which I all of a sudden became aware, became awake, stepped into my power, so to speak. This was in high school, at the age of 15/16, and the moment is clear as day for me... So I can relate to the idea, but if it happened to me, is of no importance. Any history, fake, imagined, implanted, or real, will keep my eyes on the past, instead of on the Infinite. This is not to say to not deal with your issues from the past (the have the nasty habit of showing up in your face if you do not deal with them), but instead focussing what is more pressing and important. And that is what is in front of me now.
My two cents :)
Niels
Team Almine
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Permalink Reply by nikolaj krarup on -
True what you say. That there lies the danger og yet another attempt to create a new idendity. Hey i'm an original one, never born, never died woouuw. Still mindblowingly interessting. So much out of this world stuff on the Copenhagen retreat(my first), and incredible powerfull meditations, especially the one of flying through the sun. After that i really AM not the same. Changed forever after this retreat. Also the belvaspata meditations. So deep. Tomorrow i attend intro arrangement by Malue to find out more about belvapata, which i got initiated in, sigils and more. The journey has just started. Amazing.
Niels - Team Almine said:Dear Nikolaj,
This is indeed a very interesting thing to think about.
About the "original ones": I take this from 2 sides:
1: I try to see the danger that is poses in giving yet another identity to myself and taking that way too serious again. I'm working pretty hard on giving up the coping mechanism of my identity as it is. I don't need another label to put upon myself and say "I am this". So, caution advised, just because I understand how quickly my own ego will grab hold of this and make it into a new story full of drama :)
2: It does explain a lot about very weird feelings within me, ever since I can remember. The idea that I live in a world with children has always been very strong with me. Not as a value judgement of being better, still the emotional immaturity of all around me is so painfully obvious... In finding this explanation, I try to see how would an "original one" masterfully respond? Thus, I use the feeling of recognition as an inspiration, without going and claiming to be anything... a tricky line, but a good practice in my mind.
Weirdly enough I did -even before meeting Almine- identify a very certain moment in which I all of a sudden became aware, became awake, stepped into my power, so to speak. This was in high school, at the age of 15/16, and the moment is clear as day for me... So I can relate to the idea, but if it happened to me, is of no importance. Any history, fake, imagined, implanted, or real, will keep my eyes on the past, instead of on the Infinite. This is not to say to not deal with your issues from the past (the have the nasty habit of showing up in your face if you do not deal with them), but instead focussing what is more pressing and important. And that is what is in front of me now.
My two cents :)
Niels
Team Almine
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Permalink Reply by Rogier on -
The paradox here is that labels are only important when in the grip of identity consciousness. In other words the concern over 'the danger of forming an Original One identity' is something that can only arise when your awareness is subject to identity consciousness. When not in identity consciousness you just don't care because labels don't mean anything - including the label of 'being an Original One' - and so people can call you whatever.
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Permalink Reply by Niels - Team Almine on
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This reminds me of a bit of dogmatic viewpoint that was once uttered to me by a spiritual friend:
Someone who claims to be enlightened... isn't.
Here the same very good point arises that Rogier so eloquently makes. Indeed, almost all who claim to be enlightened are not. This is for multiple reasons, among the primary in my mind are:
-It is so hard to get to enlightenment, the ego does not go down without a fight, thus there just are not that many enlightened people.
-It is another identity, something an enlightened person does not believe in, nor gloats over. He simply does not have an ego anymore that can say "I" am enlightened because there is no "I" left to start with.
Thus, a true enlightened person does not say he is enlightened, as said by my friend. And this is true. From the vantage point of someone who is not enlightened and still has to deal with these kinds of things.
A truly enlightened being doesn't give a rats wiggly "hiny" about what he can and cannot say. He just says. Without so much as a thought about what is and isn't appropriate or reflecting the stage he is in. He just does for there is no one there anymore that worries about what he should or should not say.
So, it comes down to perspectives, me thinks :).
Nice one, Rogier.
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Permalink Reply by Matthew on -
I think the insights embedded in the knowledge and identity of the originals ones is what is important. That is to say that the past doesn't really effect the present, and in fact, what we see as the past is really a perception experienced by the one living in the present. Does anybody really have a past? If so what makes that persons past real, and mine an implant? That fact is that at any given moment, the people around me are in a timeless place, whether they be young or old. So, I agree with you Niels, it comes down to perspectives.
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Permalink Reply by nikolaj krarup on
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Right on. So many who call themselves spiritual, lightworkers and so on in groups on facebook, think they know EVERYTHING. I allways say if you are not able to say:i don't know you havent really gotten very far. Because nothing is stationary. The magic is unfolding in the moment every one is new and infinite.The possibillities are endless. I knew that through experience not bellieve way before i got in contact with almine, but it has got a nice good solid notch up after the retreat in copenhagen. Humility is a great approach, but not very common in those circles in most cases.
Matthew said:I think the insights embedded in the knowledge and identity of the originals ones is what is important. That is to say that the past doesn't really effect the present, and in fact, what we see as the past is really a perception experienced by the one living in the present. Does anybody really have a past? If so what makes that persons past real, and mine an implant? That fact is that at any given moment, the people around me are in a timeless place, whether they be young or old. So, I agree with you Niels, it comes down to perspectives.
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Permalink Reply by Dorthe Rasmusen on -
I have same feeling about my family. But do have memories of childhood, with blanks here and there but I do feel we have an original family in those I feel close to. That they have been in the flok with me for a long time. But yesit makes one think and feel alot :-)
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Permalink Reply by Dhani N on -
Almine has a lot to say about living in the moment. What I have digested from the teachings is that when you live life to the fullest. With humility and without the blame game, then you are changing everything - even the past. So as we learn and evolve beyond our own perspectives and who "we think we are and that we know how everything should work " then everything changes with us. So by changing what's on the inside of us, we change what is on the outer as well. N'est-ce pas....
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Permalink Reply by Gian Cabuenos on -
I find it very interesting how my interest gets highly piquéd when it comes to the subject of the original ones so I am glad someone posted this up. I find both the questions and conversations around this subject to be very intrigueing.
I don't have any formal knowledge about this subject other than the tidbits I've been able to come across online and so hearing from those who are more knowledgeable about it has become very helpful.
I find the concerns and comments to be especially helpful as I feel they are first hand experiences and struggles that I am, at times, able to match up with my own experience. I believe it somehow aids me to form a more coherent and cognitive grasp to the many non-cognitive experiences I am slowly putting to light.
Lately I've been putting myself in a strict observer mode. It's like I'm trying to maintain observing from afar.. this conversation/post for the last week, refraining from diving in. Or just waiting for the precise moment. It's like I'm this hawk circling this conversation.. inching closer to its prey.
I notice that I'm probably doing it for the very same reason that you guys have brought up. I don't wish to go into this with any agenda of some sort nor a building of some sort of identity structure. Yet I do want to identify this structure. If that makes any sense at all..
Right now I'm relating this to some recent work I was doing with the tones of the week and the idea of 'coming home'. My resolution thus far has been that coming to a fuller understanding is what is alleviating any tension I have about the idea of 'coming home'.And although I can admit I find pleasure in hearing those words (bring my children home) I find that I have been highly resistant to the idea of being a capstone-- some population that is unlike the others. I find that I am stubbornly reluctant to even use the term light family or lightworker which to me is really quite amusing. Its like I want to but I don't.
I want to come home but then again I don't. Like I really want to.. but then again..
Now I don't know if you guys are having this inner turmoil going on. For me as I observe it, it's more accurate to describe it like a gentle wave rocking rather than turbulence.. and really, the feeling I can more easily identiy it with is a .. flirtation. lol.
Now I wonder.. does a fuller understanding.. stabilize this at all? I guess what I'm thinking is that a more complete picture would allow an original one to better identify one's added 'resources' and thus put it to more potent, fuller or beneficial use--- as opposed to feeling like I've been fiddling with these fragments I have obtained, like a kid fiddling with a newfound toy.
Is there a book or pdf anyone could recommend? like an Original One instruction manual..? otherwise please please please keep sharing and commenting.
I do enjoy the back and forth comments Rogier and Niels are adding. And to that I have this to relate.Deep experiential knowledge somehow came to me earlier this year.. about free will. As we get rid of limiting beliefs and shed old programs we inch closer and closer to this idea of obtaining free will.
Now in this little skirmish I had-- with who knows what they are.. spirit/soul gods who like to make you go in circles in this dream-like epidsode that occurs in this awake reality-- anyway that was quite an adventure but the experience I was given was this idea that we never really do obtain free will.
I mean it exists theoretically, but really as you inch closer to it.. you really end up freely giving it up.. as you dissolve into this overwhelming vastness of beauty and poetic revelry the dance of oneness provides.
For whatever reason im reminded of a component in calculus (i forget what its called, like parabola or hyperbola or something) where a line strectches infinitely closer to a definite point but it never really does touch it.
I mention this experience in response to the comments about enlightenment. I feel this very same dynamic occurring.At first, I find that we do embark on this journey and there is a definite direction or spiritual progression but after a certain point(and I can't quite remember where that was anymore) you really lose all sense of spiritual hieracrhies. To be more accurate, it's not that you lose that sense but rather, you lose the need to invest or adhere into any of those structures.
I guess you could say the weight of values get reset. You could care less for titles and position but start to value more on actual experiences and relevance of information.
As for me, I'm drawn to or favor anything that can accurately describe or relate to me the often bizarre occurrences and amazing phenomenon that occur in and around my life. If you can share an experience that matches or resonates with mine and can assist me in riding and gaining balance on this surfboard as we ride these waves, then I'm all in- I'll partner up, I'll listen, I'll join you.. I'll even buy you some white robes to wear....
Anyway as I take on this subject of the original ones, this very same subject that I've been circling around observing from afar.. and I allow myself to step into this circle.. And if there were a robe or throne given to an original one and I finally allow myself to step into and take a seat..
even for just a moment..
I feel these robes do not lift me into higher status but rather it actually gives me some weight.. not of a negative sort but from humbleness. I feel myself becoming more solid, more fortified -- added strength.. yet I find that before I even pick it up-- I turn and immediately ask.. ok but what is this for?
I just downloaded the new podcast from the awakening show and it seems from the intro there will be more spoken about this. However I would love to hear more information about the original ones.. anything that can tell me what its purpose is for. Thanks in advance.
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Permalink Reply by Matthew on
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Almine goes into great depth about the original ones in the first section of the IAM course.
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